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		<title>Comment on The whole Stop Tazmo thing!! by isolin</title>
		<link>http://tiamatsreviews.wordpress.com/2007/11/23/the-whole-stop-tazmo-thing/#comment-1372</link>
		<dc:creator>isolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And not to mention it that he deleted credits of scangroup and make those works his own.
And lot of site got donation, but close the donation if they have enough. 
AND for example I paid for 3 month, then I canceled after 1 Month, so my acc. should work for other 2 month right? not at NarutoFan, I dont have access anymore 1 day after I canceled the payment in paypal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And not to mention it that he deleted credits of scangroup and make those works his own.<br />
And lot of site got donation, but close the donation if they have enough.<br />
AND for example I paid for 3 month, then I canceled after 1 Month, so my acc. should work for other 2 month right? not at NarutoFan, I dont have access anymore 1 day after I canceled the payment in paypal.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Flame of Recca &#8211; Overview by ziria_1993</title>
		<link>http://tiamatsreviews.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/flame-of-recca-overview/#comment-1371</link>
		<dc:creator>ziria_1993</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think flame of recca is the best comics i never seen</description>
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		<title>Comment on The whole Stop Tazmo thing!! by lol</title>
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		<dc:creator>lol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 05:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>really late to find this... The main argument is that It is extremely difficult to cancel the subscription once it is made. There is no option to cancel on the site, and no mention of it on the forum. They delete any pm&#039;s to those in charge expressing their desire to cancel, and the customer service you are directed to is equally useless. Only by luck did I find a way to cancel it from paypal, and it was a very obscure way. 

This level of difficulty imo is criminal, and at the least his site should be closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>really late to find this&#8230; The main argument is that It is extremely difficult to cancel the subscription once it is made. There is no option to cancel on the site, and no mention of it on the forum. They delete any pm&#8217;s to those in charge expressing their desire to cancel, and the customer service you are directed to is equally useless. Only by luck did I find a way to cancel it from paypal, and it was a very obscure way. </p>
<p>This level of difficulty imo is criminal, and at the least his site should be closed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on OEL, Manga, Comics or Graphic Novels, which do you choose? by Raheil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raheil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I have no problem with your main arguement, I disagree with the definitions of the terms you are using.  Plus, there is an implied superiority in those definitions that shows your bias toward manga vs. &quot;comic books&quot;.

&quot;I don’t like calling manga comic books, since they aren’t. Comic are generally only a chapter long, and usually in full colour.&quot;

I know you said &quot;generally&quot;, but this logic is fuzzy.  Warren Ellis&#039; &quot;Crecy&quot; is a self-contained, 48-page story that is NOT in color, but black-and-white.  Does that mean it isn&#039;t a comic book? And there are a thousand more I can mention that don&#039;t fit this standard either.  What IS your preception of a &quot;comic book&quot;?

Also, most manga begin as episodic installments in large anthologies, and are then collected into TRADE PAPERBACKS (not Graphic Novels) that are then re-sold. Which brings us to your other definition...

&quot;Graphic Novels are the collected versions of these comics, and generally cover a specific arc of the story. For example the Green Lantern GN’s cover specific incidents, such as the death and birth of a new GL and so on.&quot;

While the term &quot;Graphic Novel&quot; has been used by the American manga market to differentiate themselves from the Anglophone market (and specifically superheroes), this use is erroneous (though, I understand the reasoning).

&quot;Graphic Novel&quot; comes from &quot;novel&quot;, and a novel is a self-contained story that normally (and this is flexible) concentrates on the characters over plot, and is divided into chapters.  But even these definitions are murky, as Cormac McCarthy&#039;s &quot;The Road&quot; has not one chapter break in it, but no one would argue it isn&#039;t a novel.

In the end, the definition, to me, of Graphic Novel, is self-contained story told by pictures and/or words.  The fomat doesn&#039;t matter to me, whether it&#039;s a hardcover or softcover, or if it&#039;s English, Spanish, Japanese or Korean language. It&#039;s a graphic novel if it&#039;s a self-contained story. The aforementioned &quot;Crecy&quot;, while only 48-pages and square-bound, is a graphic novel (or, as the author prefers it, graphic novella), just like Eisner&#039;s &quot;Contract with God&quot;, Junko Mizuno&#039;s &quot;Hansel &amp; Gretel&quot; (a full-color manga) or Buronson&#039;s &quot;Japan&quot; (again serialized at first printing, but later collected).

And the Green Lantern story you mention? That&#039;s a &quot;Trade Paperback&quot;, a collection of previously published work singly, now compiled into one book, as part of a larger story or ongoing narrative.  &quot;Naruto&quot; and &quot;Fruits Basket&#039; are trade paperbacks, too; you don&#039;t get the whole story from any single book. It&#039;s episodic, only the episodes are much bigger, that&#039;s all. And yes, each story arc could be called a Graphic Novel, that&#039;s fine, but again, not totally correct.

And sure, these works can move back and forth from these defintions, like Charles Dickens first serializing his stories in newspapers and single pamphlets, and then collecting them, thus transforming them into novels.  That&#039;s the main crux of my arguement: these defintions change depending on the format and connotation we as readers and publishers make of them.  None are inherently wrong, you can all do what you like.

But the most important thing I wish people would stop doing is saying &quot;manga are not comic books&quot;.  These are not words on equal footing, one is the subset of the other.  Comic books, for me, is the catch-all superset for all the other words (Graphic novel, trade paperback, manga, OEL, whatever) because they all follow the same principles of comic books: WORDS and PICTURES (as Harvey Pekar said).  The language or origin of the creators doesn&#039;t matter, they are all words and pictures.  And they all influence each other (Osamu Tezuka loved Disney cartoons; Frank Miller loved Lone Wolf &amp; Cub), because they can mix-and-match so much since they are all using the same foundational tools.

&quot;Gangs of New York&quot; and &quot;Audition&quot; are both movies (or cinema), no matter who made them, where they made them , how or why they made them.  Same with music, same with animation, same with books.  Style or geography doesn&#039;t change the medium they are all in, we&#039;re still talking about comic books.

COMIC BOOKS...it&#039;s not the coolest name, but it&#039;s the thing we all love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I have no problem with your main arguement, I disagree with the definitions of the terms you are using.  Plus, there is an implied superiority in those definitions that shows your bias toward manga vs. &#8220;comic books&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t like calling manga comic books, since they aren’t. Comic are generally only a chapter long, and usually in full colour.&#8221;</p>
<p>I know you said &#8220;generally&#8221;, but this logic is fuzzy.  Warren Ellis&#8217; &#8220;Crecy&#8221; is a self-contained, 48-page story that is NOT in color, but black-and-white.  Does that mean it isn&#8217;t a comic book? And there are a thousand more I can mention that don&#8217;t fit this standard either.  What IS your preception of a &#8220;comic book&#8221;?</p>
<p>Also, most manga begin as episodic installments in large anthologies, and are then collected into TRADE PAPERBACKS (not Graphic Novels) that are then re-sold. Which brings us to your other definition&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Graphic Novels are the collected versions of these comics, and generally cover a specific arc of the story. For example the Green Lantern GN’s cover specific incidents, such as the death and birth of a new GL and so on.&#8221;</p>
<p>While the term &#8220;Graphic Novel&#8221; has been used by the American manga market to differentiate themselves from the Anglophone market (and specifically superheroes), this use is erroneous (though, I understand the reasoning).</p>
<p>&#8220;Graphic Novel&#8221; comes from &#8220;novel&#8221;, and a novel is a self-contained story that normally (and this is flexible) concentrates on the characters over plot, and is divided into chapters.  But even these definitions are murky, as Cormac McCarthy&#8217;s &#8220;The Road&#8221; has not one chapter break in it, but no one would argue it isn&#8217;t a novel.</p>
<p>In the end, the definition, to me, of Graphic Novel, is self-contained story told by pictures and/or words.  The fomat doesn&#8217;t matter to me, whether it&#8217;s a hardcover or softcover, or if it&#8217;s English, Spanish, Japanese or Korean language. It&#8217;s a graphic novel if it&#8217;s a self-contained story. The aforementioned &#8220;Crecy&#8221;, while only 48-pages and square-bound, is a graphic novel (or, as the author prefers it, graphic novella), just like Eisner&#8217;s &#8220;Contract with God&#8221;, Junko Mizuno&#8217;s &#8220;Hansel &amp; Gretel&#8221; (a full-color manga) or Buronson&#8217;s &#8220;Japan&#8221; (again serialized at first printing, but later collected).</p>
<p>And the Green Lantern story you mention? That&#8217;s a &#8220;Trade Paperback&#8221;, a collection of previously published work singly, now compiled into one book, as part of a larger story or ongoing narrative.  &#8220;Naruto&#8221; and &#8220;Fruits Basket&#8217; are trade paperbacks, too; you don&#8217;t get the whole story from any single book. It&#8217;s episodic, only the episodes are much bigger, that&#8217;s all. And yes, each story arc could be called a Graphic Novel, that&#8217;s fine, but again, not totally correct.</p>
<p>And sure, these works can move back and forth from these defintions, like Charles Dickens first serializing his stories in newspapers and single pamphlets, and then collecting them, thus transforming them into novels.  That&#8217;s the main crux of my arguement: these defintions change depending on the format and connotation we as readers and publishers make of them.  None are inherently wrong, you can all do what you like.</p>
<p>But the most important thing I wish people would stop doing is saying &#8220;manga are not comic books&#8221;.  These are not words on equal footing, one is the subset of the other.  Comic books, for me, is the catch-all superset for all the other words (Graphic novel, trade paperback, manga, OEL, whatever) because they all follow the same principles of comic books: WORDS and PICTURES (as Harvey Pekar said).  The language or origin of the creators doesn&#8217;t matter, they are all words and pictures.  And they all influence each other (Osamu Tezuka loved Disney cartoons; Frank Miller loved Lone Wolf &amp; Cub), because they can mix-and-match so much since they are all using the same foundational tools.</p>
<p>&#8220;Gangs of New York&#8221; and &#8220;Audition&#8221; are both movies (or cinema), no matter who made them, where they made them , how or why they made them.  Same with music, same with animation, same with books.  Style or geography doesn&#8217;t change the medium they are all in, we&#8217;re still talking about comic books.</p>
<p>COMIC BOOKS&#8230;it&#8217;s not the coolest name, but it&#8217;s the thing we all love.</p>
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		<title>Comment on OEL, Manga, Comics or Graphic Novels, which do you choose? by Robot 6 @ Comic Book Resources - Covering Comic Book News and Entertainment &#187; Comics A.M. &#124; The comics Internet in two minutes</title>
		<link>http://tiamatsreviews.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/oel-manga-comics-or-graphic-novels-which-do-you-choose/#comment-1369</link>
		<dc:creator>Robot 6 @ Comic Book Resources - Covering Comic Book News and Entertainment &#187; Comics A.M. &#124; The comics Internet in two minutes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Manga &#124; The &#8220;OEL vs. Global Manga vs. Comics&#8221; debate emerges once again. Pray that it doesn&#8217;t see its shadow. [Tiamat&#039;s Reviews] [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on OEL, Manga, Comics or Graphic Novels, which do you choose? by Jura</title>
		<link>http://tiamatsreviews.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/oel-manga-comics-or-graphic-novels-which-do-you-choose/#comment-1367</link>
		<dc:creator>Jura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 02:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hentai.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Jura’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://animegerad.com/dosei-mansion-manga/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dosei Mansion manga&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hentai.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Jura’s last blog post..<a href="http://animegerad.com/dosei-mansion-manga/" rel="nofollow">Dosei Mansion manga</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>Comment on Oninagi Vol 01 &#8211; Thoughts &amp; Impressions by Althalus</title>
		<link>http://tiamatsreviews.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/oninagi-vol-01-end-thoughts-impressions/#comment-1349</link>
		<dc:creator>Althalus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: &quot;single open ended volume&quot;

Amazon Japan currently shows 3 volumes of Oninagi, the latest (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4832277766/&quot; title=&quot;link&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;) published last month, so the series is probably still going.

Edit: As you already noted. I didn&#039;t see your update at first, because it was at the top and not at the bottom (and I scrolled down to the beginning of the review without looking).</description>
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<p>Amazon Japan currently shows 3 volumes of Oninagi, the latest (<a href="http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4832277766/" title="link" rel="nofollow">link</a>) published last month, so the series is probably still going.</p>
<p>Edit: As you already noted. I didn&#8217;t see your update at first, because it was at the top and not at the bottom (and I scrolled down to the beginning of the review without looking).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sunshine Sketch Vol &#8211; Thoughts &amp; Impressions by MangaBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What we&#8217;re reading this week</title>
		<link>http://tiamatsreviews.wordpress.com/2009/03/22/sunshine-sketch-vol-thoughts-impressions/#comment-1353</link>
		<dc:creator>MangaBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What we&#8217;re reading this week</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tiamat&#8217;s Disciple on vol. 1 of Step (Tiamat&#8217;s Manga Reviews) Tiamat&#8217;s Disciple on vol. 3 of Sunshine Sketch (Tiamat&#8217;s Manga Reviews) Karen Maeda on vol. 1 of Tsubasa: Those With Wings (Sequential Tart) [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Step Vol 01 &#8211; Thoughts &amp; Impression by MangaBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What we&#8217;re reading this week</title>
		<link>http://tiamatsreviews.wordpress.com/2009/03/21/step-vol-01-thoughts-impression/#comment-1351</link>
		<dc:creator>MangaBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What we&#8217;re reading this week</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] vols. 6 and 7 of Spiral: The Bonds of Reasoning (Comics Should Be Good) Tiamat&#8217;s Disciple on vol. 1 of Step (Tiamat&#8217;s Manga Reviews) Tiamat&#8217;s Disciple on vol. 3 of Sunshine Sketch (Tiamat&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Pig Bride Vol 01 &#8211; Thoughts &amp; Impressions by MangaBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What we&#8217;re reading this week</title>
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		<dc:creator>MangaBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What we&#8217;re reading this week</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on vol. 4 of Nora: The Last Chronicle of Devildom (Sequential Tart) Tiamat&#8217;s Disciple on vol. 1 of Pig Bride (Tiamat&#8217;s Manga Reviews) Nick Smith on vol. 1 of Pokemon Adventures (ICv2) Karen Maeda on [...]</description>
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